NEW TRUSPEED LASER is OUT! WARNING! Also some thoughts.

[RadarNutt]

Originally Posted by Ovencleaner

Ivan of LI over at RD.net has just stated the guns pulse rate is in the KHZ range....

1000+ PPS.

Keep in mind that most jammers will not jam the TraffiPatrol XR, which is an extremely high fixed pulse rate

I wonder which jammers will be able to handle it?

So far, only one (LI) has been proved to jam high pulse rates. AntiLaser, Laser Star, and Blinder all claim too, however.

I believe I've heard that LPP does also, but I'm not 100% sure. These companies all have diff software for U.S. versus Europe, and we don't have the XR over here in the States (thank G_d), so I don't know (and honestly therefore I really don't care). At least LPP puts diff stickies on the boxes now so you know what the heck you're getting.

And btw a warning to Unwary Consumers that contrary to Blinder's and K40's deceptive marketing practices - i.e. "jams all laser guns period all over the universe period" - the product version you have does not jam the whole universe. Bunch of marketing BS. Sorry, had to mention that one. I hate seeing those ads as they are IMHO deceptive and not true.

I'll tell you what jams everything period no questions asked - a parked car.

[RadarNutt]

Yes, I more or less agree with Allen.

Things will sort themselves out and we'll see as people are able to test things. And to your point, I agree most of us our guilty of the "I want it yesterday" complex. Partly perhaps due to our country's materialistic nature (U.S.) and partly due to the fact anyone posting on this forum is more or less an enthusiast and we all want the latest toys before everyone else. :-)

[TSi+WRX]

Originally Posted by RadarNutt

And to your point, I agree most of us our guilty of the "I want it yesterday" complex. Partly perhaps due to our country's materialistic nature (U.S.) and partly due to the fact anyone posting on this forum is more or less an enthusiast and we all want the latest toys before everyone else. :-)

^ I'm certainly guilty of the "accumulating 'stuff'" (to pay tribute to the late Mr. Carlin) attitude that pegs most Americans as dedicated consumers.

I'm willing to wait a few years between purchasing radar-detector updates for myself - unless something *big* happens (i.e. the reason why I finally switched from my x50 to the 9500i, but I will not, in the near future, be stepping up to the ix).....

But in terms of LIDAR protection, due to the heavy use of laser by my area's enforcers, I tend to seek constant updates.

Indeed, this is an area which quickly becomes a drain on the bank!

[RadarReviews_Net]

i emailed the company that makes the TruSpeed laser gun, waiting to hear the pulse rate that the gun is shooting at

[Ovencleaner]

Originally Posted by TSi+WRX

^ I'm certainly guilty of the "accumulating 'stuff'" (to pay tribute to the late Mr. Carlin) attitude that pegs most Americans as dedicated consumers.

I'm willing to wait a few years between purchasing radar-detector updates for myself - unless something *big* happens (i.e. the reason why I finally switched from my x50 to the 9500i, but I will not, in the near future, be stepping up to the ix).....

But in terms of LIDAR protection, due to the heavy use of laser by my area's enforcers, I tend to seek constant updates.

Indeed, this is an area which quickly becomes a drain on the bank!

Just keep the LI up to date... you have nothing to worry about

[TSi+WRX]

Originally Posted by Ovencleaner

Just keep the LI up to date... you have nothing to worry about

^ True, but that's not the point.

LI is but one among the current "top flight" jammers.

If one among LI's global staff is able to procure a TruSpeed, and their company is able to update their device to enable best-odds jamming against this device, then the same should be expected - and demanded, IMveryHO - of any other of the "top-flight" jammer makers.

I'm not saying this as an LI proponent. Yes, I'm an LI user. Yes, I'm active on the LI Forums - but I'm also a LPP user, and I'm also active on the LPP Support Forums in the same way I am on the LI Forums. And I'm just as much of a LPP proponent as I am of the LI.

LI's team admits to the fact that the 7.04 iteration of their control-box will not give "true-JTG" performance against the TruSpeed, and have taken steps to proactively counter this impending threat.

There's been no word from the LPP side of this equation, aside from LPP Rep's first statements, which seemed to suggest that the current LPP performs well against this device -->

ref: Save 10% on LPP (Laser Pro Park) - quote:

Already has and LPP works against it.

- but later seemingly to completely retract the former statement -->

ref: NEW TRUSPEED LASER is OUT! WARNING! Also some thoughts. - quote:

I am not making any claims regarding performance (per LPP). What I am saying is that any jammer on the market which defends against LTI guns should pick this up and work against it.

I've cited this disparity before (page up in this thread, and you'll find the post), and I'd love to hear why there's such backtracking. If the LPP truly is that capable, why the later stipulations and conditional statement? And if there was no testing done, wouldn't we, as consumers shopping for the LPP and also current LPP users, be better served if the initial claim, unverified, were removed?

Yes, it could very well be that, upon later testing, we'll see that the LPP, in its current technical configuration may, indeed, work GREAT against the TruSpeed.

Believe me, you won't find anyone happer than I will be, if that's the case. Like I said, I'm a LPP user.

But the fact of the matter is that there's currently no data supplied to back up LPP Rep's claims. And while the LI mother team in Croatia have divulged now significant technical hints at what they've discovered of the TruSpeed, we've not heard the same from KMPH-UK/LPP-UK.

It's not a matter of me just updating my LIs. I'll definitely do that. As a LI user - and one who lives in a state that will soon see TruSpeed action - I owe that to myself.

Rather, it's a matter of principle.

What one "top-flight" jammer is capable of, another should be capable of, too.

I don't see either my LIs as being secondary to my LPPs, or the other way around. Both have their role, and both are critical.

I expect the best out of the best, and being that both are "top-flight," I'd expect nothing less, from either.

You all here know me well enough by now. You know that I've always tried to be as impartial as possible, and as fair as possible.

Brother davekr, a fellow LPP user and proponent, was the first to have posted to the LPP Support Forums a claim that, and I will quote him, "...the new tru-speed gun is lethal to the LPP," and to inquire about an update.

I, along with others, were quick to point out that none of us have seen any such proof of the LPPs weakness, anywhere.

This is a similar call - if albeit a bit in reverse.

I call the shots as I see them. And so far, there's been no data to support either side of the argument.

The only thing that can be said now is that LI has taken active steps to combat TruSpeed - whether this is because the TruSpeed exposed a true weakness on the part of the LI or if it is just their quest to be the fastest-to-update/best-performing, I don't know, and honestly, I couldn't care less.

I simply don't see any reason why we, as a community, should expect any less, of *any* supposed "top-flight" jammer maker.

[Ovencleaner]

Honestly,

LI does more for your money, and is not among the "top jammers", it is the KING of jammers.

Why do people who buy diode jammers even bother with anything else(ESPECIALLY when it is more expensive)?
Customer service issues are over. Cliff is the man.

I mean Ivan is a freaking genius.... I don't think there is anything he and LI Croatia cannot overcome in terms of engineering genius...

If you are willing to shove out the big bucks for a diode, the only one worth it IMO is LI. The others are obslete unless they change their prices to reflect who owns the playing field. LI.

Not to be ragging on LPP users, but remember, they still have not figured out way to jam the Reigl-F2P1 or the TraffiPatrol-XR. It seems guns with higher / random pulse rates they stay away from. And remember, the TruSpeed's pulse rate is > 1Khz according to Ivan. LPP has yet to go there.

In the world of Laser Jammers, you do not always get what you pay for. Sometimes it is more (LI), sometimes its less (LPP).

Just my 2 cents.

[RadarReviews_Net]

Im waiting to hear the pulse rate, would like to know the exact pulse rate of the TruSpeed from the company.... until we get confirmation of the pulse rate.....I treat it like another gun

[Ovencleaner]

Originally Posted by RadarReviews_Net

Im waiting to hear the pulse rate, would like to know the exact pulse rate of the TruSpeed from the company.... until we get confirmation of the pulse rate.....I treat it like another gun

I agree as well....

Althought I trust Ivan, It is best we all wait for 100% accurcate information either from LTI, or GOL, or some other hobbyist.

[TSi+WRX]

This is what I'd posted, on the LI Forums -

Quote from: interceptor.tw on August 08, 2008, 05:20:32 AM, on the LI Forums ->

fact: L I previous cpu versions identified TS as "unknown gun" warning voice, instead of "Marksman or ultralyte 20/20" (125pps) nor "jenoptic, jenoptic clone, or ultralyte" (100pps warning), demonstrated the fact that TS is neither 125 nor 100 pps. THUS, TS is not identical to any previous LTI lidar models.

fact: Roy stated before that M25-J15 had trouble in detection at certain range of distance, demonstrated that either TS algo is differ than previous LTI lidar models, or the laser power is weaker to detect.

fact: Laser Mask also has trouble detecting it.

These are all excellent points that my fellow Taiwanese brother, interceptor.tw brings up.

I will readily concede that I had not thought of the first fact - the unique PPS identification capability of the LI - as being evidence to the uniqueness of the TruSpeed. Indeed, this is a most brilliantly simple observation and most logical deduction, and I am embarassed to have not thought of this, until interceptor.tw pointed this out! This point of logic, along with Ivan's "leak" to the enthusiasts community that the TruSpeed operates in the KHz range, all meshes together without fail.

And as per points two and three, I agree - both the Blinder and the LaserMask , which work "decently well" against the 100 and 125 PPS LTI threats (at least consistently so) per the latest round of GOL testing, were said to have trouble with the TruSpeed. Again, this would not logically make sense, if examined in the view that the TruSpeed were the exact same as the previous LTI threats. Same goes with the LI, which have always excelled at dealing with the traditional LTI hardware, but upon Roy's earlier testing, supposedly failed, and even upon the LI groups testing, conceeded that only the generic "Unknown Gun" jamming algorithm could battle against it, and even then, would not true-JTG.

None of any of this evidence points to the TruSpeed as being "typical" of the older LTIs.

Quote from: interceptor.tw on August 08, 2008, 05:20:32 AM, on the LI Forums ->

More facts: brother TSI can add more later. please check your pm allen.

Thanks to interceptor.tw, I was given the privilege and honor of viewing early testing runs of the LI, versus the TruSpeed.

The rigors to which the revised LI was exposed to, in this testing circumstance, is truly shocking. The road-speed was held very low, which, traditionally, we've come to believe is a severe handicap to the jammer - and also, the runs were conducted both "forward" and "backward," with the heads not only tested in the traditional direction of traffic travel, but also in reverse (i.e. forward heads tested with vehicle in reverse gear, and rear heads tested with vehicle approaching the camera). Additionally, EXTREME areas of the vehicle were targeted to try to elicit PTs, and also, truly shockingly, one rear head was taped-over - to simulate a failure scenario, I would assume - and jamming capability tested by probing the incoming beam to that now "weak" side of the vehicle, with only the off-side single rear head active in-defense.

The LI, active in jamming and audible warning, could be heard in the background.

"The Blue Gun" has been defeated by the LI, and I've seen proof. I'm a believer.

Granted, other jammers could still work well-enough against the TruSpeed. Heck, maybe even JTG. But that's not the point here.

The point here is that Team LI (global) has once again demonstrated to me, just a simple paying customer and independent consumer, their ability to seek out the threats, on a proactive basis, and bring to us protection on a most timely basis. In my mind, they currently lead the pack, no doubt about it.

Yes, they could well rest on their laurels. With the multitude of independent hobbyist testing as well as the latest GOL all pointing to their "top dog" status as the jammer to have, no matter where you live or what you drive, I'd well bet that it would be easy enough for them to all just sit back and count the cash.

But instead of doing so, they've gone out of their way to make sure that we're all covered against the newest LIDAR threat.

Good stuff.