Questions about the LPP??

[corkguykev]

my LPP caused me trouble last Xmas here and it was replaced without question very quickly considering the time of year.

i thought at the time it was due to water damage but this wasnt the cause in my case.

it reoccurred after another while and i got in contact with KMPH UK (despite the rumours that they dont answer the phone and though the cause wasnt found straight away, i can assure you they went to some trouble to find it.

as it turns out it was actually the wiring in my car that caused it. something to do with the cars CANBUS system . i rewired the power supply into the cigarette lighter and it has worked fine since.

however i was offered a discount on my next purchase. i gladly took this and used it to dual up my rear. a decision i was bloody glad of here a few weeks back when i was rear lasered while doing over 130kmh in a 100 .

point being is that from what service ive gotten and heard from others, if you have a LPP, you are in good hands

[Bmw Power]

Well my buddy just took out his defective lpp off his Porsche because alex (go.mouse) will not return his calls or emails. Alex never even called or emailed him to see how he likes the lpp. Not good C/S in my book in any manner. He just ordered a laser star and it was sent out overnight when ordered yesterday. I dont understand all this positive stuff mentioned about alex because I know 2 cases where he let the customer hang out to dry.

My view on alex (canada lpp rep) that is he sells a lpp to someone on a forum like this and others he provides good C/S but if that customer does not bother with the forum scene, alex does not care because that person does not really have a voice because they "are the new guy" on the forum with a issue to report and no one will believe him...but this guy (my buddy is a PCA Member /Porsche Club of America long time member) and was going to set up a group buy for alex but started having problems and they never got resoved because alex would not get into contact with him.

Since I have the laser star and have had zero issues and the laser star us rep. will return calls and emails he (my friend) will set up a group buy for his local PCA Chapter with laser star instead of lpp because he has seen my system and its much higher quality then the lpp and it works great....Performance + Reliabiltiy + Customer Service = a win win for everyone.

The lpp is not for sale because its in the trash.

Just to let you know that I found this site from Ronin. Im sorry I hit a cord and brought something up to light because your presious little lpp was replaced by a laser star.

Its you all that turned this into the *Goons and Shilling thing*...

I just posted a question and it hurt your feeling's and you cant face the fact's here and want to switch it around. I wonder how many more lpp's have found their way into that container that holds trash?

Show me one person that has a laser star and is having problems? I guess it easy to talk about someone in the school play ground without them here with anyway to defend these childhood tatics from you guy's.

Maybe Go.mouse can answer these questions or better yet contact my buddy and give him a refund...

[eire05]

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

Well my buddy just took out his defective lpp off his Porsche because alex (go.mouse) will not return his calls or emails. Alex never even called or emailed him to see how he likes the lpp. Not good C/S in my book in any manner. He just ordered a laser star and it was sent out overnight when ordered yesterday. I dont understand all this positive stuff mentioned about alex because I know 2 cases where he let the customer hang out to dry.

My view on alex (canada lpp rep) that is he sells a lpp to someone on a forum like this and others he provides good C/S but if that customer does not bother with the forum scene, alex does not care because that person does not really have a voice because they "are the new guy" on the forum with a issue to report and no one will believe him...but this guy (my buddy is a PCA Member /Porsche Club of America long time member) and was going to set up a group buy for alex but started having problems and they never got resoved because alex would not get into contact with him.

Since I have the laser star and have had zero issues and the laser star us rep. will return calls and emails he (my friend) will set up a group buy for his local PCA Chapter with laser star instead of lpp because he has seen my system and its much higher quality then the lpp and it works great....Performance + Reliabiltiy + Customer Service = a win win for everyone.

The lpp is not for sale because its in the trash.

Typical Goon Tactics.. People don't feed the Goons... .Stop spamming us hobbyists i've no interest in shilling any jammer.

[corkguykev]

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

The lpp is not for sale because its in the trash.

right up to this point, i had my doubts about what you were up to but now that i read this im sure

its the same old BS that Audi and Subie went on with here for a while until they got bored and left because they saw that nobody believed them anymore .

if your friends are having trouble with their systems and C/S, they are the exception rather than the norm. its not impossible for any company to miss one now and again, granted, but Mousies reputation is second to none and the UK crew have gone well out of their way to help me when i had problems also.

quite frankly, i smell a rat here

[RadarReviews_Net]

BMW Power... you live right next to the goons right? Thats a small world....

[corkguykev]

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

Just to let you know that I found this site from Ronin. Im sorry I hit a cord and brought something up to light because your presious little lpp was replaced by a laser star.

i dont recall LS taking over the scene just yet

I think Alex is hiding from his pissed off customers because he has defective systems.

oh that was good

Being in the business world that is that business do when they are going out of business.

yep and the CS i got was definitely the "death throes" of a business going bust

if you actually owned a LPP, you would know the CS involved. my experience was amazing when i had my issues.

Its you all that turned this into the *Goons and Shilling thing*...

yep, all by ourselves too. we never had reason to doubt them *cough* defender 2 *cough

I just posted a question and it hurt your feeling's and you cant face the fact's here and want to switch it around. I wonder how many more lpp's have found their way into that container that holds trash?

and im sure you have concrete evidence of the sheer quantity of LPPs that have bitten the dust and have not been honoured by KMPH , feel free to "enlighten us please

Show me one person that has a laser star and is having problems? I guess it easy to talk about someone in the school play ground without them here with anyway to defend these childhood tatics from you guy's.

at this stage im looking for someone that has a Laser Star that isnt bashing their competition. im sure this isnt a coincidence

Maybe Go.mouse can answer these questions or better yet contact my buddy and give him a refund...

im sure that he will solve this issue indeed. while i have not dealt with him personally (because i bought my LPPs from KMPH UK) i have yet to hear a confirmed case where he f**ked someone over but i suppose you know better

its obvious to any long term member of this community that you have heard only one side of this story. i have no doubts whatsoever that you have been treated 100% by your LS rep and this is commendable on their part. however you are pretty much following in the footsteps of the goons by the very nature of your postings on here and are not doing yourself any favours by doing so. especially so transparently

[TSi+WRX]

Originally Posted by corkguykev

im sure that he will solve this issue indeed. while i have not dealt with him personally (because i bought my LPPs from KMPH UK) i have yet to hear a confirmed case where he f**ked someone over but i suppose you know better

its obvious to any long term member of this community that you have heard only one side of this story. i have no doubts whatsoever that you have been treated 100% by your LS rep and this is commendable on their part. however you are pretty much following in the footsteps of the goons by the very nature of your postings on here and are not doing yourself any favours by doing so. especially so transparently

If the claim is even real, that is.

I find it very strange that someone who is so involved, as Bmw cited, in his local Porsche community - someone who is so influential in the community that they can set up a Grup Buy, will not, at the same time, pursue the supposed troubles that he's having with his LPP, and would not voice his concerns about such a lack of service on legitimate on-line Forums such as this one, or RD.net, or the Laser Pro Park Support Forums.



Got something to hide, maybe? Maybe afraid of the Forum Admins/Mods probing into ISP and his status into the community, and determining if he is also a shill?

If he is such a well-known figure, why doesn't he simply step forward, using his known name and stature in the greater automotive-enthusiast community, to set the record straight, once and for all?

I'm very involved in the Subaru community, and also several other hobbyist communities.

I know that if something isn't right, I'd be more than willing to step up to the plate to "call out" the Vendors and resellers, using my earned good-name and trust in these communities as my backing. If I know that I am in the right, I have nothing to fear by doing so - the truth will out, and that's always the case.

If your friend has a legitimate concern, and his name is so well known, why does he not come forward to express his concern, and let us all know about it? Certainly, I would imagine THAT would be the right thing to do, to alert not only all of his fellow Porsche owners of such concerns, but to also let the rest of the countermeasures hobbyist community know that there is an issue at-hand.

And speaking of on-line personas:

Bmw, you've still never answered this question, despite various members here - myself included - having asked several times.

What was your screen-name on RD.net, where you were supposedly banned?

What's to hide, there?

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

I just posted a question and it hurt your feeling's and you cant face the fact's here and want to switch it around. I wonder how many more lpp's have found their way into that container that holds trash?

To which cork replied:

Originally Posted by corkguykev

and im sure you have concrete evidence of the sheer quantity of LPPs that have bitten the dust and have not been honoured by KMPH , feel free to "enlighten" us please

and then again:

Originally Posted by corkguykev

right up to this point, i had my doubts about what you were up to but now that i read this im sure

its the same old BS that Audi and Subie went on with here for a while until they got bored and left because they saw that nobody believed them anymore .

I agree precisely, cork - this is precisely the same type of tactic that's been used, repeatedly, by The Goons to try to smear the LI.

I've got more than one set of countermeasures on my vehicle. I know that NONE of them are infallable, nor are immune to potential malfunction.

I don't hold the LPP to be "precious," Bmw. It's just another piece of equipment, and when and if it does malfunction - or when it's surpassed by another piece of equipment - I'll simply do what's necessary to either update it or replace it.

I hold no attachments to it. It's a simple piece of hardware, that's all.

When I saw that my ZR3 was no longer working, I simply did some research, and decided to get the LPP. When the LPP showed that it had concerns with the 100PPS UL (which has since been addressed - oh, and BTW, Bmw, how come, if "JTL.com" is so knowledgeable when it comes to LIDAR countermeasures, he'd let go.mouse send him a 100 PPS UL enabled LPP control box? I think he'd well known better than to accept someone else's claims, blindly so, particularly if he didn't trust go.mouse already, right?), I was pleased to see that the ZR3 provided acceptable coverage in this respect, until I was able to obtain the proper c-box replacements from go.mouse, but at the same time, when I saw the effects of the LA SpeedLaser III on the LPP, I simply went the way of the LI to counter this threat.

I don't defend anything out of "ownership pride."

I'm a scientist by training and profession. I am a long-time martial artist. I've been a lifelong car-nut, and have dabbled in speed-detection countermeasures since I started driving, now over a decade and half ago.

I know, from these experiences, that everything has its weaknesses, nothing is perfect, and that the newer and better will always come along to replace the older. I hold no illusions when it comes to these types of products.

When the LPP failed GOL's examination of the 100 PPS UL, The Goons, who were involved with the sales-chain of the LPP at that time, were among the first to say that the GOL testing was unfair (look at the posts by LPP ver. Ghost Recon - Audi's old alias on the LPP Support Forums), and that it exploited this weakness of the LPP, and that there's probably not many 100 PPS ULs even around, here in the US, any more (much to our [the community's] collective chagrin, it was later determined, by the TRULY knowledgeable members of the community, that there were many, many of these units still in-circulation here, stateside, and that it was indeed a common threat; which was in-part what promoted KMPH/LPP's response to this item for their stateside customers...here a question to you, Bmw - will LaserStar be able to respond in a similar manner, when a new LIDAR threat evolves? note here that LI has already taken steps to acquire the new TruSpeed LIDAR, and will not only insure that their newest control-box revision will fully handle this threat [with a minimal-cost exchange, facilitated for its US users by their stateside distributor], what steps is LaserStar taking to insure that this new threat will not be a problem for its consumers?). Similarly, Audi, again while under the LPP ver. Ghost Recon name on the LPP Support Forums, also brushed aside exposure of the LPP's inconsistencies against the Laser Atlanta SpeedLaser III, when its members, serg and cyberblob, recorded the same.

You think that the LPP is somehow "precious" to me? That I want it to somehow be the end-all and be-all jammer product?

Then why, pray tell me, was I among the most vocal on RD.net and the LPP Support Forums, in both requesting the 100 PPS UL be brought to the stateside market, as well as in repeatedly both pointing out and questioning the performance inconsistencies of the LPP versus the LA?

If I held the LPP so dear, wouldn't I have just glossed-over these concerns, just as Audi/LPP ver. Ghost Recon did, when he was involved with the LPP food chain, and benefiting from that product's well-being?

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

Just to let you know that I found this site from Ronin.

I respect Ronin.

He's never made a false claim, and he has always been cordial and interacted with his fellow hobbyists on a pure level.

And speaking of Ronin, again, I cite this:

Ronin's video - one that has been received tremendously well by the community - was bastardized by Audi, in an effort to peddle the LaserStar. Audi lied to the masses by twisting the details of one of his own "friend's" videos:

My First Real Laser Jam *VIDEO*

Again, as before, I ask: If I'm to be considered untrustworthy by you, then tell me how you can trust any of "The Goons," considering that they've even lied about the circumstances of one of their own friend's (Ronin) most famous and most community-appreciated jamming videos, in order to propagate the sales of the LaserStar?

I've now asked this question, of you, 4 times. Care to finally offer an explaination?

Even Ronin has lamented at the fact that the video was used inappropriately. What do you think?

Its you all that turned this into the *Goons and Shilling thing*...

Because you're following down that path - and because that's all The Goons have ever done, when trying to make a quick buck.

Show me one person that has a laser star and is having problems?

Again, I reiterate - none of us have any problems with the LaserStar product. We simply have a problem with the sales tactics that its principle as well as [i]The Goons[/b] have taken.

Anyone having problems with the LaserStar?

It wasn't until over 6 months later that people began having problems with their AntiLaser G8s. It wasn't until 3 to 4 months have elapsed that people began having problems with the first-run US-sold LI heads. It wasn't until nearly one YEAR later that people have seen problems with the Escort ZR3, and similarly, with the first batch of the KMPH-UK/LPP-UK - import to US - LPP heads.

So far, no-one has had problems with weathersealing on the LaserStar, and similarly, no-one has had such problems with the PASS.

But in both cases, the product's only been on-market for approximately 3 months.

A lack of time - lack of environmental exposure. A lack of mileage and the typical shocks and duress that such a unit is exposed to on a daily basis.

These products are just too young to judge, it's as simple as that.

Come back when these items have hit the 6 month mark.

Come back again when the items have hit the 1 year mark.

Come back again when the items have hit the 1 and a half year mark, or the 3 and 5 year marks.

Will the LaserStar even still be around, 1, one and a half, 3, or 5 years from now?

Escort and Blinder notwithstanding, AntiLaser has now been around for quite a while. LPP's stateside operations are going on the two-year mark. Even the much-hyped/much-discussed LI is about to reach its year-anniversary, here in the US. The PASS rides on the hard-earned laurels (and the lasting duration/history) of the Cheetah (if "only" the Cheetah-USA) name, and the hard-working ethos of RacerX.

And with the exception of the PASS, all mentioned above have repeatedly demonstrated their commitment to the end-consumer (again, here, PASS gets a "free pass," simply due to its association with the Cheetah brand and Don's committment to customer-care, but to be fair, it does have much to prove, too, and only time will tell).

LaserStar has a lot of catching up to do, and it will have to prove itself in the test of time, as well.

I guess it easy to talk about someone in the school play ground without them here with anyway to defend these childhood tatics from you guy's.

It's just as easy to talk this with them here.

The truth is the truth, and when they've made their appearance on any legitimate hobbyist Forum, they've always eventually (in some cases, within a day) been banned.

Such confrontations have happened on *every* legitimate Forum/community where The Goons have shown their face, and in each case, they were eventually thrown out by the Forum Admin/Mods.

Why is this always the case? that they leave - but the rest stay?

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Oh, and that's right, I keep forgetting....

Bmw -> you do know that this Forum isn't one that benefits from go.mouse/KMPH-Canada/LPP-Canada, right?

Take a look at the top-banner ads, DMI is the LPP retailer, here.

Did you perhaps attack the wrong LPP dealer?

Also, you seem to know a lot about The Goons. Why don't you ask them about their old association with go.mouse and the LPP?

How come they split from that, to go with the LaserStar?

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Oh, and by the way, DMI - if what Bmw is saying here has any truth at all, then it's not only go.mouse/KMPH-Canada/LPP-Canada that has a problem....you have one, "by association," too.

Bmw claims, to start off this thread, that he isn't trying to besmirch the go.mouse's name, and that it's the weathersealing/water-proofing of the LPP heads that's his main concern.

[Stealthcb]

I'd take the broken LPP out of the trash if he wants me to....it'd be worth it to pay to get it fixed.

[RadarReviews_Net]

The IP addresses used from the goon all carried the same extensions. The account for BMW POWER had shared the same extension on the IP address as the other ones that were banned..... hmm..

[speed demon]

Busted?!