Questions about the LPP??

[Bmw Power]

Originally Posted by eire05

No problem with you but it's classic goon tactics (Look at all the LI bashing John Audi on multiple car boards across the net)



Your kidding right? Awesome rep, froms the guys who peddled the Laser Mimic & Laser Deceptor (Now thats irony), don't kid yourself that there independent consumer for one minute, granted the thing might work, but i myself wouldn't buy one purely due to the spamming tactics of Larry & Moe even if the next jammer was $500 dearer!!The man (being generous on that front) behind the clone is a shady little worm, go back to 2006 and read a couple of posts on user: drivesmart on rd.net even when he came on here he still managed to convince us he's still a horrrible creature

Well have you ever met Alex (lpp rep)? How do you know for sure?

How do you know what is said about the guys at LJT.com is true? I have met them several times and they were nothing but helpful and they never sold me anything.

Well I have met the laser star rep. and he is not the 2 guys at LJT.com. I see LI stuff being spammed all over the web. Members are still using the 2007 GOL Tests to sell the LI even though it was proven not work like its supposed to work. Other then the LJT.com videos the only other videos are from LI Dealers and those prove nothing. I have also seen the laser mimic in testing and its a very good jammer for what it is. I really think medication is in order to fix whatever problems you have..because your a very angry person. You dont see me pissing about the blinder and escort that I had on my M3 once before...they sucked and Im over it...I moved on...maybe you should too.

[eire05]

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

Well have you ever met Alex (lpp rep)? How do you know for sure?

How do you know what is said about the guys at LJT.com is true? I have met them several times and they were nothing but helpful and they never sold me anything.

Well I have met the laser star rep. and he is not the 2 guys at LJT.com. I see LI stuff being spammed all over the web. Members are still using the 2007 GOL Tests to sell the LI even though it was proven not work like its supposed to work. Other then the LJT.com videos the only other videos are from LI Dealers and those prove nothing. I have also seen the laser mimic in testing and its a very good jammer for what it is. I really think medication is in order to fix whatever problems you have..because your a very angry person. You dont see me pissing about the blinder and escort that I had on my M3 once before...they sucked and Im over it...I moved on...maybe you should too.

Are you for real. Honestly it doesn't take anyone to be as smart as audi to work out their game.

They setup a site (not the first time either) that initially only test ONE jammer. , that being The Laser Star which comes up trumps.

Next they bash the competition LI, well at least they tested the ALG8 *STOP* sorry, they didn't test it but they know people that have a G8 or to quote: "We haven't tested the Anti-laser personally, but several of our friends borrowed our laser guns to test the ALG8 and they said it worked great." LMAO FFS

Everyone & his mother knows the purpose of that site was to 'shill' so to speak the Laser Star

Oh ask JTW about his defender2 "test" another excellent shill for Neil

[Bmw Power]

I am for real...atleast that last time I checked. Well, maybe you should ask those guys since I'm speaking for them, only what I have seen.

This reminds me in school when the school yards bulley the smaller kids who cant defend themselves...mainly what I'm saying is that those guys dont have a voice here to defend themselves but in my eyes...they dont need to defend themselves, thier testing speaks for them.

[eire05]

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

I am for real...atleast that last time I checked. Well, maybe you should ask those guys since I'm speaking for them, only what I have seen.

This reminds me in school when the school yards bulley the smaller kids who cant defend themselves...mainly what I'm saying is that those guys dont have a voice here to defend themselves but in my eyes...they dont need to defend themselves, thier testing speaks for them.

Keep telling yourself that and cross your fingers and one day it might come true but whatever you do don't hold your breath. There's a reason why their banned from here and pretty much every board on the net & it ain't due to their fantatic "independent" testing.

Second to that . EVERYONE & I mean EVERYONE on here and RD.net knows their game which is to 'shill' whatever can make them a quick buck. I'm sure the Laser Stars a great jammer etc,but don't think for one second that anyones fooled by thier deluded ways.

[Bmw Power]

I'm I meant to say...I am not speaking for them....Well I dont have any issues with them and neither does anyone else who has met them who is on this board. I just think you and others make them out to be worse so to satisfy yourself. Its kinda like the boogyman....he is not for real but you want him to be real.

You and others keep on mentioning *them*? who do you think is selling the laser star? I have met *who* the US laser star rep. is and its not *Them*.

[RadarReviews_Net]

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

I'm I meant to say...I am not speaking for them....Well I dont have any issues with them and neither does anyone else who has met them who is on this board. I just think you and others make them out to be worse so to satisfy yourself. Its kinda like the boogyman....he is not for real but you want him to be real.

You and others keep on mentioning *them*? who do you think is selling the laser star? I have met *who* the US laser star rep. is and its not *Them*.

Who is it then? Contact information?

[TSi+WRX]

Bmw Power -

I'd urge you to just stop, right here.

I understand that you're trying to stand up for guys whom you know, first-hand - and that these people are not given a voice here. But doing so by dragging the good name of the LPP as well as its crew through the mud just isn't the right way to do so....aside from your "proof" of two select cases, all you will get in-response from the members of this community (BTW, despite the fact that DMI, the stateside LPP reseller, is supported here on these Forums, there is no official support of KMPH-Canada here, as they are not a site supporter, in return - so don't think that anyone here is unfairly biased towards go.mouse's operation) as well as that of any other within the countermeasures enthusiast circles is that go.mouse/KMPH-Canada/LPP-Canada has been outstanding in terms of customer service.

Furthermore, I've got PMs from none other than Audi himself, under "The Stig" alias once his "Audi" handle was banned, in which he tried to sell me the LaserStar, before it completely came to-market here in the US. One minute we were discussing the LPP - and next, poof, we're on the LaserStar.

Additionally, Audi, on this very Forum, also tried to start a "group buy" of the LPP - either as an end-run around go.mouse or, alternately - and believe it or not, at the time, Audi was actually a most vocal proponent of the LPP, as well as tried to encourage anyone and everyone into getting one (his screen-name on the LPP Support Forums was LPP ver. Ghost Recon, and yes, he was banned there after his involvement with LaserStar started, for obvoius reasons) - was doing so as a "service" for go.mouse, which was what he claimed at the time.

And while the former PMs were something I'd deleted out of disgust (but who knows, maybe the Forum Admin could still dig them up?), the latter is still resident in my PM box here, and I'm sure that the Forum Admin could validate their content, as well as authenticate from whom they'd originated.

Bmw, there is history of backstabbing and end-runs with The Goons - and if you've been in the countermeasures community for as long as you claim to have been, you certainly should already know this. Their complete flop from the LPP to the LaserStar, alone, is fact enough to warrant severely discounting *anything* that they may say about the LPP.

I gave Audi a chance, even after what everyone on RD.net said about him - and he proved himself untrustworthy to me. He may be a different person, live and in-person, but over the 'Net, he's just proven, time and again, that both himself as well as any member of The Goons cannot be trusted.

Additionally, look at *any* Forum - you will not find a *single* negative thing said about go.mouse or the KMPH-Canada/LPP-Canada team.

I find that such consistency of positive feedback from the community would be strange, if indeed what you said, of such customer-service problems, is true. This is particularly the case in-reference to the RD.net Forums, which does *NOT* support the LPP - I find it extremely strange that if something is wrong with KMPH-Canada's customer-service, that such an issue would have been overlooked, there.

Finally, when, exactly, did the LPP belonging to "JTL.com" "go bad?" Please clear-up the timeline for us. You said that it was "way before" testing with the LaserStar...so how long ago was it? and if they were still friends/associates at the time (through Audi), I'd highly doubt that go.mouse would have refused to even look at the item, when, for several of his customers who purchased the earlier-variant LPP, myself included, he took care of such support issues on a very, very timely basis. Additionally, unlike your friend's LPP, which is claimed to have been purchased from go.mouse, you never cited if the unit belonging to "JTL.com" was purchased from go.mouse, nor whether or not the unit was within warranty.

Also, just because one is an installer doesn't mean anything at all - installers make mistakes with jammers all the time, and this is evident on *every* countermeasures Forum. Unless someone else who truly knows about jammers is able to crosscheck, there is no validity in that argument whatsoever. The input voltage issue was an unknown - to EVERYONE - until KMPH-UK/LPP-UK itself literally stumbled upon the issue. Did your friend know about this issue, and did he specifically check for such? And if he did try to contact go.mouse, for what is clearly a warranty-claim issue (as the head is less than a year old, from your report), but was rebuffed, then why has he not sought refuge, publicly, from within the community?

Support for KMPH-Canada/LPP-Canada, go.mouse's division, has always been tremendously high in the community, and this is much in-part to the manner in which go.mouse has treated us - his customers, the enthusiasts and hobbyist - with respect and good service. Even from sites which have banned him, such as RD.net, due to his involvement in selling a product which was not supported by that particular community, you'll still find that no-one has anything to say about his service other than that it's stellar.

Given the history, I think that anything coming from any of The Goons regarding the LPP is to be severely discounted. They use the same arguments to try to discredit it as they have tried (and are still desperately trying) with the LI.... sad and shameful.

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

This reminds me in school when the school yards bulley the smaller kids who cant defend themselves...mainly what I'm saying is that those guys dont have a voice here to defend themselves but in my eyes...they dont need to defend themselves, thier testing speaks for them.

^ And their lies, using the materials provided by one of their own supposed "friends," speaks for themselves, too:

My First Real Laser Jam *VIDEO*

Again, as before, I ask: If I'm to be considered untrustworthy by you, then tell me how you can trust any of "The Goons," considering that they've even lied about the circumstances of one of their own friend's (Ronin) most famous and most community-appreciated jamming videos, in order to propagate the sales of the LaserStar?

And once-again, I reiterate:

I've always maintained - on this Forum as well as any others that I frequent (and note that my screen-name is consistent on all) that I think the LaserStar would do rather well on objective quantitative testing, and that it is simply its sales/marketing team, or more, their lack of ethics, that I object to.

If you'll note on RD.net, stegall1000 was recently "disavowed" by Blinder Dude due to his antics there, which was perceived to be hurting the company's name.

I honestly think that if it weren't for the fact that the principle behind the LaserStar already has such a bad name in the community, that it would be smart for him to cut The Goons loose, too. But given that their morals are in-mesh, I guess they see no reason not to continue any of their smear campaigns and Forum SPAMming (so, exactly how many Forums have they been banned from, now? and how many bans were placed on members of any of the sales teams of any other similar product? quite a disparity, no?).

[Bmw Power]

Stop right there...That was very funny.....

I am not dragging lpp's name through the mud at all, just asking a question since I have seen it arise like over at RD.net. My buddy still has not heard from go.mouse and he even has his phone number plus email and nothing go.mouse and he has tried alot but no answer back. I remember john saying he really liked his lpp because it saved him several times since they use alot of laser up here in this area. He started having problems and the parking sensor never worked but go.mouse never resolved the problems plus he said it was supposed to have the 100pps rate fix but it did not, but go.mouse said it was the 100pps fix ver. So john just replaced the ill fated months or so working but not working correctly lpp with a laser star and he says its hands down far superior then that lpp and even that LI they tested.

In our several conversions over drinks, I know that those guys have only spoke highly of you (TSI+WRX and others) because your knowledge and they do not talk bad about this site.

[TSi+WRX]

I don't really see what's funny about that comment at all.

There's proof on these very Forums as to what Audi tried to do in terms of the LPP "group buy." And the evidence that he used Ronin's videos in a very unethical manner remains there for all to see, too.

Even if you discounted all the other backdoor/underlying issues, those facts still cannot be erased.

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The LPP weathersealing concern does occasionally pop up on RD.net - as well as on the Laser Pro Park Support Forums (KMPH-Canada Forums).

In the last half-year, IIRC, 3 or 4 times....

Also IIRC, at least two cases were resolved by go.mouse, and the end-user did report back positively.

Of the latest two that were posted, I honestly don't know if they've come to a resolution - either way.

Aside from those two instances of "lost to follow-up" reporting, and the supposed troubles that "JTL.com" and your friend reported, I truly do not believe that there any cases where KMPH-Canada/LPP-Canada have cited flaws.

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So far, all long term heads have seen such a concern arise - regardless of if the design was "LED-based" or "diode-based"....and I know that this is a very bad way to quantify the division, as what I wanted to say was whether if the head design more closely matched that of items such as the ZR3, Blinder, Mimic, etc., versus that of the AntiLaser.

Either the heads have failed in the short term (weeks to within 3 months), or, alternatively, it seems to last around a half-year to a year and a half, and then, again, poof.

In looking at the concerns brought forward by the various engineers who contributed to the "weatherproofing" thread on RD.net, I remain very pessimistic at the long-term promises of *any* of the devices on today's market.

What can be said now is only that the latest variant of the LPPs seem to be doing relatively well, long-term, and that the LaserStar and the PASS show great initial promise, and that goes for the current LI as well.

The jury is definitely still out on the ZR4.

The Blinder, so far, still holds its own, long-term, as well.

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Bmw, although I am flattered that those guys would think highly of me, I am saddened to say that I cannot return such sentiments.

I really wanted to believe otherwise - i.e. that they were unjustly provoked as well as later shunned over at RD.net.

However, the way history repeated itself, right in front of my eyes - yet again - simply made me lose all respect for those individuals.

[eire05]

Well what can I add to those 2 excellent posts TSI has written.

Only my experience of the LPPUK crew has only been a pleasure, I've done a post about it here before.

But we had gooons like subie for example like john turn on the LPP for whatever reason and make up lies about bankruptcy and no stock (I purchase a single head rear jammer about 2 months ago)