Escort 95000ci Radar Detector and LPP Laser Jammer

['09 Milan]

Originally Posted by TSi+WRX

my knowledge-pool of VWs is quite shallow.

With VW, that may be a mixed blessing

[TSi+WRX]

Sorry for the delay.

The vehicle in the CFL-group's test is an '02 VW Golf TDI.

['09 Milan]

Thanks TSi+WRX. I'll look into this early next week

['09 Milan]

Originally Posted by TSi+WRX

What about vehicles without TPMS sensors, or aftermarket TPMS systems?

Less than $75? I'll believe that when I see it

Good news! I'm in negotiations with a manufacturer of one of these systems and it looks like I'll be able to get you a set (4 sensors) for around 49.00 Here's the best news, they do NOT require professional installation. They use new technology that looks really cool. I'll know more in 2-3 weeks. I'm also working on designing a Heads Up Display (HUD) for visual warnings of all radar/lasers. This way the driver never takes their eyes off the road and is alerted instantaneously

[TSi+WRX]

Cool - please keep us all updated!

['09 Milan]

Originally Posted by TSi+WRX

And if mounted in-vehicle, the rear windscreen would defeat much of the outgoing beams' capability.

Are you sure about this? I was just reading on a police forum where the police often times will shoot laser through the front windshield and read window... Why would a shifter work any differently?

[TSi+WRX]

Two separate hobbyist-groups on RD.net have tried this test with the ZR3, and both attempts failed miserably. Jamming capability was cut to near nil.

It's speculated that there could be just enough "blocking" of the outgoing IR transmission as to make the lower-powered LED emissions incapable of effecting proper jamming. Alternatively, some have suggested the outgoing light is scattered in such a way as to effect the same negative results.

To the best of my knowledge, no one has yet tried this, directly, with laser-diode based jammers, and I believe that this is both due to the results seen with LED-based jammers as well as the hearty recommendations against this type of mounting from both seasoned jammer hobbyists as well as even jammer designers/manufacturers (such as Ivan - the man behind the AntiLaser, LPP, *and* the LI). However, I now - thanks to your question above - can't help but wonder if laser-diode based jammers might not perform in at least an "acceptable" manner (please continue below).

In terms of police LIDAR through the vehicle greenhouse, this is indeed an accepted practice - however, many hobbyists have reported a not insignificant decrease in lock-range or increase in lock-time associated with such use.

[ This may not be important - or even observed - by enforcement personnel at all, as their goals are drastically different from the countermeasures user. All they need is that "one shot," the one which clocks the vehicle speed. And if they can effect this, with reasonable certainty and quality, even through vehicle greenhouse glass, then it's no wonder that they continue with this procedure, even at the degradation of range by several hundred feet or lock-time by several seconds. ]

I would suspect that the optics of the LIDAR device as well as its sheer power output helps overcome some of the problems seen with jammer usage. Furthermore, I also suspect that the intricate temporal as well as optical nature of effective jamming may also contribute to the inability to effect such through vehicle greenhouse glass.

This all also begs the question of, then, why the heck can our detectors pick up an incoming LIDAR beam, if it is itself situated behind vehicle greenhouse glass.

The answer to this, I believe, is again in the *power* of the incoming police LIDAR beam - but there still remains the fact remains that our in-vehicle detectors are still somewhat limited in terms of laser reception due to the greenhouse glass....look, for example, at what this V1 "Tech Report" shows:

Ask Mike - Report #2

In a way, this may also help explain why externally-mounted laser receptors are sooooooo sensitive.

The V1 is touted for its superior laser sensitivity, in terms of an in-vehicle, stand-alone detector.

Many attributes this to the large optical collimator that sits in front of its laser receiver - a design that's been copied by many of today's leading laser jammers.

This design, however, was not seen on the Escort ZR3 stand-alone - and yet this device offers among the broadest "viewing/receptive" capability of LIDAR scatter.

If what Mike Valentine said above, in that Tech Report, is indeed true, then it's easy to see why the ZR3, even without the benefit of an optical collimator lens, is capable of such outstanding performance.

[RadarNutt]

Originally Posted by '09 Milan

OK I talked with their head tech Jim and learned a lot of great things. Unfortunately he confirmed that the ZR4 heads need to be installed, but only because the self-diagnostics would pick up that they weren't plugged into the main interface. Also, I thought I read somewhere on this forum that the ZR4 was LED based, but in fact it is a diode based system. He was actually very surprised that people thought it was LED, so that was good to learn.

While technically true, in the context of this forum, "diode" in terms of laser jammers means Laser Diode, and not L.E.D. The ZR4 is a L.E.D. jammer.

Just want to clarify this for anyone reading this thread who might be confused by some of this. We almost need some kind of glossary or RR.net Wiki to clarify some of these terms.

For instance, I wonder how many people read "LPP" and don't know it's short for Laser Pro Park, or that a 9500ci is a product made by Escort, etc.

[RadarNutt]

Originally Posted by nixem

Hello, I am new to laser/radars and am trying to figure out an optimal setup for the next car i purchase. I have been trying to do some research, but it has been difficult since not too many people have the 9500ci.

I am looking for an easy stealth setup that is extremely reliable. I dont particularly like things hanging from my windshield and need a very high protection rating from both the front and rear. It seems that multiple units works best from experienced users on this forum. My current thoughts are...

9500ci
2 lpp front
2 lpp rear

The thing I am most concerned about is the lpp interfering with the 9500. I watched a video by radar roy and he noted that if you use multiple shifters it will actually decrease performance. Could anyone clear this up for me, or help with a better solution? Thanks!
nix

Did anyone really answer this poor guy's question???

I got bored reading this thread, so I am replying to his original post.

Nix, IMHO I don't believe you'll have any issues with using 2 jammers together. There are other forum members who've got multiple products on their vehicle. I suggest checking out this thread and asking some of them about their experiences.

http://www.radarreviews.net/forums/l....html#post6735


My thinking is even if the LPP and 9500 jammers "see" each other's return fire to the laser gun, I can't imagine that it would make it any easier for the laser gun. Just seems to me it would get even more jumbled data back. UNLESS - and this is the only possible problem I can imagine - unless the jammers think each other is a laser gun, and they key off that light pattern and try to jam each other instead of the real laser gun.

I've never tried it, so I don't know what would happen. But like I said, some members on this forum have done this. I presume at least some of them have tested it out.

Personally, I'd suggest you just go with LPP and the Bel STi Remote and be done with it. Also, with a Civic Si, I cannot imagine that you need more than one LPP head front and rear. Of course, 2 heads won't hurt either, but that car has a relatively narrow profile.

My $0.02. Hope it helps.

['09 Milan]

Originally Posted by TSi+WRX

This all also begs the question of, then, why the heck can our detectors pick up an incoming LIDAR beam, if it is itself situated behind vehicle greenhouse glass.

Yes, look at this thread on a police forum. Especially post number 4. And what about post number 13? This is the first time that I'm learning about 'burn' marks left on the car. Post 18 shows the laser going through the back window, so obviously glass has no effect on laser per se. Is Speedlab officially selling his 'detector' some place? I'd love to do more thorough testing regarding the back window.