Cheetah has now release it's own laser jammer!

[JZ*]

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

TSi...You are putting too much effort. I was just making a valid point where members can voice their opinion but others cant. Just because I write 3 paragraphs...I become suspect...but you can write 3 pages and me makes me fall a. I'm not in engineer type write ups to explain something. I'm the type that I must see something work and not put my faith in false advertising.

New member to this forum...probably not the best place to say hi...but..HI!

Also...I have a PASS (along with my V1) and the initial testing that I have gone through was very good, so to get this thread back on track...I like it!

[Bmw Power]

Well first things first...How do you like your PASS system?

09' MILAN...I am assuming you are talking about the guys that are called the "GOONS"??? If so, I have met them like I have said before and they were very nice and gave alot of information. I dont understand what you all are talking about since I have met these guys..assuming if these guys are the same ones from laser jammer tests. So why did they get banned?

JZ...Do you have your own laser guns for testing or did you have a cop buddy test your PASS?

[Ovencleaner]

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

Well first things first...How do you like your PASS system?

09' MILAN...I am assuming you are talking about the guys that are called the "GOONS"??? If so, I have met them like I have said before and they were very nice and gave alot of information. I dont understand what you all are talking about since I have met these guys..assuming if these guys are the same ones from laser jammer tests. So why did they get banned?

JZ...Do you have your own laser guns for testing or did you have a cop buddy test your PASS?

Advocating products that DO NOT WORK (Laser Defender, Laser Mimic) Creating multiple accounts to evade bans, flaming, lying to everyone, spreading untrue information about competitors (laserjammertests.....)

USING AN RD.NET ENTHUSIAST'S VIDEO TO PROMOTE THEIR OWN PRODUCT

just a few of the reasons they are not welcome. They have scammed to many people to be forgiven by most members.

CONSUMER ALERT

Back on track, PASS has not been doing to hot on ELEVATOS expedition.

[JZ*]

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

Well first things first...How do you like your PASS system?

09' MILAN...I am assuming you are talking about the guys that are called the "GOONS"??? If so, I have met them like I have said before and they were very nice and gave alot of information. I dont understand what you all are talking about since I have met these guys..assuming if these guys are the same ones from laser jammer tests. So why did they get banned?

JZ...Do you have your own laser guns for testing or did you have a cop buddy test your PASS?

No guns personally...just the same guys that tested you it sounds like; I agree with you, they were nothing but fair and helpful to me too.

I am going to avoid the BS Politics, and try to stay on task...

As I mentioned here and on the other site, the PASS for me, against the guns mentioned, worked great...but it is important to get your setup right.

I received another head from Don and plan to try a third head up front to try to JTG my one "hotspot", perhaps mounted vertical, and maybe set it to a 4 or 8 sec jamm independant of the Cheetah laser node (w/seperate control box) so that I can remain basically wireless without taxing the wireless system or doubling up on nodes, etc. I figure that in a real world situation....I DO plan to slow down/turn off the sensors, so this additional setup will offer max protection!

As soon as I can meet up to get tested, I will post results.

[Ronin]

JZ* Great to see you here and meet you at the testing site! I am glad the crew let me use the guns to shoot your car during most of the runs, I do have to emphasize that when the lidar gun is on a tripod, its easier for the gun to get a PT, I had to brace the LTI Ultralye against a tree to even get a speed reading at 1500'+ with the jammers off and even then it took a few seconds at that.

I have yet to see anyone in WA use a tripod... I'd suggest a passive countermeasure before getting more heads... I am curious to see what happens.

[JZ*]

Originally Posted by Ronin

JZ* Great to see you here and meet you at the testing site! I am glad the crew let me use the guns to shoot your car during most of the runs, I do have to emphasize that when the lidar gun is on a tripod, its easier for the gun to get a PT, I had to brace the LTI Ultralye against a tree to even get a speed reading at 1500'+ with the jammers off and even then it took a few seconds at that.

I have yet to see anyone in WA use a tripod... I'd suggest a passive countermeasure before getting more heads... I am curious to see what happens.

I agree with you, I have not seen any tripod use either...I feel in real-world setting, I like you are pretty set...I did receive another head, look forward to trying it...with your help that is

What do you mean, "Passive Countermeasure"?

[Bmw Power]

Well, Its funny that people have the laser star and PASS system and they really like it plus my laser star has saved me 9 times and I only have a head upfront and 1 hear in the rear and its not even centered and its saved me a few times from the rear and not a single ticket. I think you, Oven Cleaner among others have some grudge against those testers and you have not even met them. They didnt try to sell me anything but just tested my setup.

I like how you are just armchair quarterback with no laser jammer but you just talk about others.

You Said:

Advocating products that DO NOT WORK (Laser Defender, Laser Mimic) Creating multiple accounts to evade bans, flaming, lying to everyone, spreading untrue information about competitors (laserjammertests.....)

*Rebuttal*....looking at the laserjammertest site...I dont see anything about the laser defender working or even a write up on it....

*Rebuttal* I have seen the laser mimic work because one of the testers has it on the back on his ride and it had no problem jamming the laser guns, it was just a fun test because people say's it does not work...well it works..

USING AN RD.NET ENTHUSIAST'S VIDEO TO PROMOTE THEIR OWN PRODUCT

*Rebuttal* Why would they do that when they have their own site that it shows what works and was does not work???

just a few of the reasons they are not welcome. They have scammed to many people to be forgiven by most members.

*Rebuttal* Name one single person who have been scammed by the guys at laser jammer tests?

CONSUMER ALERT....

*Rebuttal*...Now your doing a Consumer Alert??? Talk when you buy a laser jammer instead of being critical of others.

Back on track, PASS has not been doing to hot on ELEVATOS expedition

*Rebuttal* Whoever this JZ member is...He has the PASS System and he says it works against several laser guns. So Mr. Armchair Quarter Back...prove that does not work...I will take his word because he owns it and he witnessed his PASS in action.

Sorry guys...I could not hold back and let this idiot talk out his A** and he does not even own a jammer.

[RadarNutt]

Ok, guys... now I am confused. I just heard over the weekend thru the grapevine that the P.A.S.S. is actually not a LS copy, but actually an old AL system. That is, I don't know about the box, but the heads are apparently either old generation AL heads which were lying around or they are recent AL heads but ones which did not pass muster for AL to sell them retail.

So, in other words if you buy a P.A.S.S. you are buying B-grade (or worse... possibly older) heads.

Anyone know if this is true?

That would make sense how different heads can be interchanged from say LPP.

If there's already another thread on this topic, please let me know. I don't have all day to surf the forums, so I'm confining this question to this particular thread on the P.A.S.S.

[RadarNutt]

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

Back on track, PASS has not been doing to hot on ELEVATOS expedition

That does not mean much. Depending on how many heads and head placement, and the definition of "not been doing to hot."

As I've said before, placement is key and every vehicle is different. You cannot expect to JTG a Hummer with one or two heads for example - of any product.

[TSi+WRX]

Originally Posted by '09 Milan

They should already know that they will get in hot water before they start trouble. ... They had a personal grudge about the product and were trolling to scare people (or at least put doubts in customers minds) about the product. The only way that an admin (any admin) can handle a perp like that is to ban them. These types of people are bad for the radar community in general. They have an agenda, to make a certain product look bad whether it is bad or not. They don't help the community out in any way, shape or form. I have to agree with RadarNutt that this is still ongoing, so how much did they really learn?

Exactly. This is, currently, the unfortunate truth - and it's just as true that if the LaserStar performs as well as is-claimed, it's a total shame that it has to be dragged and muddied because of the sins (past and ongoing) of its current associates.

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Originally Posted by Bmw Power

TSi...You are putting too much effort. I was just making a valid point where members can voice their opinion but others cant. Just because I write 3 paragraphs...I become suspect...but you can write 3 pages and me makes me fall a. I'm not in engineer type write ups to explain something. I'm the type that I must see something work and not put my faith in false advertising.

I'm making the effort because (1) I hope that the LaserStar will stand up to its performance claims and (2) because I feel sorry that the product is being seen in such negative light.

And no, Bmw, putting forward 3 paragraphs does not make you suspect - not in my book.

What I frowned upon was the disparate timeline, but that was cleared up properly. You'll see that my initial responses to you were quite enthusiastic, but that it cooled when your timeline didn't mesh. Luckily, Ronin stepped forward to give proper correction.

The problem with posting about the LaserStar is that you're automatically suspect, and will be under the microscope, so to speak - and that in and of itself is unfortunate, but again, is part and parcel of the fallout that has come from Neil Brown as well as the "Four Horsemen's" past activities in this community.

It's sad, but it's something that will continue to happen until those very same people finally "make good" and make amends.

PS: What was your name on RD.net? I'd like to revisit those threads that eventually resulted in your ban there.......

Originally Posted by Bmw Power

Oven Cleaner among others have some grudge against those testers and you have not even met them. They didnt try to sell me anything but just tested my setup.

I don't carry a grudge against any of these individuals - not on a personal basis.

Audi himself knows what kind of shady backdoor deal he tried to pull with me when he was still active here (and on the Laser ProPark Forums). I have completely lost respect for this individual, and if this can be said to be a grudge, well....I guess this fits.

With the others, it's plain to see by their respective histories on the various Forums and on-line communities that I cannot give them my trust.

You Said:

Advocating products that DO NOT WORK (Laser Defender, Laser Mimic) Creating multiple accounts to evade bans, flaming, lying to everyone, spreading untrue information about competitors (laserjammertests.....)

*Rebuttal*....looking at the laserjammertest site...I dont see anything about the laser defender working or even a write up on it....

*Rebuttal* I have seen the laser mimic work because one of the testers has it on the back on his ride and it had no problem jamming the laser guns, it was just a fun test because people say's it does not work...well it works..

Does the Mimic work?

Yes.

Does it work well?

No.

Look at the ZR3 or ZR4. Can it "JFG" on a rear-shot basis, provided that the tester rigorously target ONLY the rear plate/center-mass area, near the rear head? Certainly.

But step outside its coverage zone, and it's instant PT.

Much the same has been proven of the Mimic (whose own abilities are much magnified, too, with the help of further passive measures such as VEIL, plate dressing, etc.).

As for the other concerns?

Ovencleaner isn't talking about what's on the LaserJammerTests website - he's talking about historical/past issues that pre-dates that particular LaserStar marketing entity (and please, that's really all it is).

Those same individuals, who are now involved in the marketing of the LaserStar, are certainly not stupid enough to want to drag THAT load of past baggage with them, into the current picture, and it is certainly easy to see why.

All that Ovencleaner pointed out above can only be said to be historical truths. There's no way to rebut around it.

USING AN RD.NET ENTHUSIAST'S VIDEO TO PROMOTE THEIR OWN PRODUCT

*Rebuttal* Why would they do that when they have their own site that it shows what works and was does not work???

This is something that used to be very, very common in this hobbyist community, and was among the reasons why these said individuals were banned from Forums such as RD.net in the first place.

Again, the historical evidence is all there. It is simply undeniable.

just a few of the reasons they are not welcome. They have scammed to many people to be forgiven by most members.

*Rebuttal* Name one single person who have been scammed by the guys at laser jammer tests?

Happya$$ bought a Mimic, based on the early "data."

charles charlie charles owned a Defender.

bearcat on RD.net had to resort to legal measures to get a refund on his Defender.

Back on track, PASS has not been doing to hot on ELEVATOS expedition

*Rebuttal* Whoever this JZ member is...He has the PASS System and he says it works against several laser guns. So Mr. Armchair Quarter Back...prove that does not work...I will take his word because he owns it and he witnessed his PASS in action.

Unfortunately, JZ is currently among the minority.

Although, to the best of my knowledge, N < 4 for this group, ELVATO,
mhardy2288 and Mthman30 all have variously configured PASS systems, and so far, in terms of quantitative testing, none have yet to live up to our expectations.

And to this effect:

Originally Posted by RadarNutt

That does not mean much. Depending on how many heads and head placement, and the definition of "not been doing to hot."

As I've said before, placement is key and every vehicle is different. You cannot expect to JTG a Hummer with one or two heads for example - of any product.

mhardy's setup on the Ford Escape was a three-head (with the central head placed in vertical configuration, per Cheetah-USA/RacerX recommendations to effect best-odds jamming against 238 PPS LIDAR equipment, such as the LaserAtlanta), and its placement is very nice. ELVATO's is a quad-head setup, ALL pointing forward, IIRC, on his Ford Expedition. Mthman30's dual-head setup is on a late-model Nissan Altima.

All of these individuals are serious enthusiasts, and their testing, as a part of the CFL-group, actively seeks to optimize each system's performance not only in terms of placement, but also alignment and leveling.

As a matter of fact, when they've seen less-than-"proper" performance, they actively pursue corrective measures, and then re-test.

Thus, to say that, so far, the results of the PASS have been less than stellar and disappointing, IMveryHO, is not a stretch. If anything, JZ's performance has been the outlier, not the average.

Ok, guys... now I am confused. I just heard over the weekend thru the grapevine that the P.A.S.S. is actually not a LS copy, but actually an old AL system. That is, I don't know about the box, but the heads are apparently either old generation AL heads which were lying around or they are recent AL heads but ones which did not pass muster for AL to sell them retail.

So, in other words if you buy a P.A.S.S. you are buying B-grade (or worse... possibly older) heads.

Anyone know if this is true?

That would make sense how different heads can be interchanged from say LPP.

If there's already another thread on this topic, please let me know. I don't have all day to surf the forums, so I'm confining this question to this particular thread on the P.A.S.S.

I honestly don't know the truth behind what's a "rebadged" what.

There's some evidence to support the PASS/AL association, due to the similarities in programming features (i.e. "identical"). However, there's been no confirmation as of its origin, or even which item it "copies."