Cheetah has now release it's own laser jammer!

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by TSi+WRX

Please set the time-line straight for us.....

Sometimes it takes a while for people to buy a product after you just talk to them... seeing it in action at a test is the best way for someone to pull the trigger on a product after they have been burned from past products.

No More drama please... Can we get back ON topic...

BTW... I am antsy to share some of the results of the Cheetah PASS system of a test I was at yesterday, and continuing today.

If I didn't have my laserstar, I wouldn't have any problems buying the PASS, performance is on par with what I would expect from a jammer of this caliber.

[RadarNutt]

Originally Posted by speed demon

For people undecided on what jammer to buy, just wait for the GOL tests. Another option is to buy something with proven performance eg. LPP/AL, or LI.

Remember that quality doesn't come cheap

LI does not have proven performance - IMHO.

As I've mentioned before, the GOL tests were rigged. That has been explained in other posts on this and other forums.

I have yet to see a true impartial LI test, comparing it with other devices on the same vehicle - RETAIL samples and no engineers from any company around.

[RadarNutt]

Originally Posted by Ovencleaner

The problem is, Laser Star has a very repetitive history of doing this... So does Neil Brown.....

X2

And just to make it clear to anyone reading this thread who doesn't know the history, etc.... the "P.A.S.S." system is a Laser Star rebadged with a different name.

In fact, that is a problem with Laser Star period. You can find at least 3-4 variations if you look around. They are all Laser Star. It's like some companies which create a brand name product and then sell the exact same thing without the label as a cheapo generic product. Except any form of the Laser Star is a cheapo product period.

Neil stole others' ideas and cheaped on the parts. I refuse to buy products from a con artist.

Spend your $<whatever> and good luck when the P.O.S. breaks. Read all these forums and you will find certain brands stand out above the rest for the whole enchilada. Irrespective of price, LPP has the best performance and customer service when it comes to laser diode systems. I'd argue that Belscort wins the award for LED based systems.

If you can't afford an LPP or don't want to spend the money, do yourself a favor and buy a ZR4.

[TSi+WRX]

^ Totally agreed.

I can't help but wonder exactly how many copies/clones-of-clones will come out.

As happya$$ once said - to early, IMveryHO, but now perfectly suited - the "Clone Wars" have begun.

To me, this war will not be won on pricing nor on performance - more than likely, it's going to be too close to call. Instead, it will be won on after-sales service, and here, sadly, Neil Brown and his associates simply has painted themselves into a corner, due to past history.

Originally Posted by RadarNutt

LI does not have proven performance - IMHO.

I'm eagerly awaiting "data" from the CT-enthusiast group. They've got access to the first-US-run LI, as well as the PASS and other systems.

Although the Central-FL group has much of my respect as fellow hobbyists, it's undeniable that Cliff (C55/C63) is involved with LI - he's made it very public, and has never tried to hide this fact, and also virtiually eliminates himself from any and all data discussions/interpretations (all of which, I think, are very gentlemanly moves). I'd thus like to see the CT-data as to how the LI fared in their hands, as one of their members (Mthman30, whom I'd also consider my friend and of whom I have high regard for) is very enthusiastic about the PASS.

Originally Posted by Ronin

Sometimes it takes a while for people to buy a product after you just talk to them... seeing it in action at a test is the best way for someone to pull the trigger on a product after they have been burned from past products.

No More drama please... Can we get back ON topic...

Ah, I see. No problems there.

Honestly, I think I am one of the least partial in the community - I truly have no ties.

Trust me, Ronin, if I hadn't pointed out the above, someone undoubtedly would have - and my fear was that they'd frame it improperly, that instead of a true question, as I've posed, they'd frame it as either an accusation or as a basis for assult.

Because of the "bad juju," if you will, surrounding the LaserStar, I honestly feel that whoever steps forward to showcase its abilities will need to tread very, very carefully - to be sure that the presentation is logical and "bulletproof" (i.e. no backtracking of anything said). Anything else, to the community at-large, is going to be seen as "fishy," to say the least.

It's rather unfortunte that any product - particulary one which, in my honest estimation, will perform very well - carries such a burden. But just as honestly, the LaserStar's principal, as well as the associated North-American marketing team, has brought this on themselves. Call it "time to pay the piper," call it past sins, whatever....the writing's clear, they've got to burn away this image, if they are to, at all, succeed, in-light of the PASS's competitiveness.

Currently, the LaserStar name brings up as much controversy as the name Laser Interceptor did just a few months past.

The difference, though, is that Laser Interceptor - at however unacceptably slow the pace happened to be - instead of engaging in negative advertising, simply worked twice as hard to clear their names as well as to beef-up customer-service. To effectively "burn away" these past issues.

Only time will tell if the LaserStar team can step up to the plate, and do the same.

BTW... I am antsy to share some of the results of the Cheetah PASS system of a test I was at yesterday, and continuing today.

If I didn't have my laserstar, I wouldn't have any problems buying the PASS, performance is on par with what I would expect from a jammer of this caliber.

The Central-Florida team had excellent early results with the Stalker. However, it seems, when they later tried a PASS-LPP combo (head and ontrol-box, respectively), things didn't work as well, and it was also suspected that one head failed. To the best of my knowledge from skimming the RD.net Forums this AM (I plan to revisit tomorrow, with more vigor and seeking more detail), RacerX has been aprised of this issue, and a post-mortem is already underway.

Whatever the case, I honestly don't understand why the LaserStar team is continuing to pursue the LI as a part of its negative-advertising push.

To me, the PASS should present as their biggest threat - both in terms of pricing as well as performance, and not to mention, the fact that its servicing is available from such a ready and recognized stateside source (Cheetah-USA/RacerX).

If anything, I'd bet that the PASS is going to take more money out of the pockets of the LaserStar crew than the Laser Interceptor will.......

[Ovencleaner]

Originally Posted by RadarNutt

X2

And just to make it clear to anyone reading this thread who doesn't know the history, etc.... the "P.A.S.S." system is a Laser Star rebadged with a different name.

In fact, that is a problem with Laser Star period. You can find at least 3-4 variations if you look around. They are all Laser Star. It's like some companies which create a brand name product and then sell the exact same thing without the label as a cheapo generic product. Except any form of the Laser Star is a cheapo product period.

Neil stole others' ideas and cheaped on the parts. I refuse to buy products from a con artist.

Spend your $<whatever> and good luck when the P.O.S. breaks. Read all these forums and you will find certain brands stand out above the rest for the whole enchilada. Irrespective of price, LPP has the best performance and customer service when it comes to laser diode systems. I'd argue that Belscort wins the award for LED based systems.

If you can't afford an LPP or don't want to spend the money, do yourself a favor and buy a ZR4.

ZR4 seems to just be a repackaged ZR3... and people are having water problems with their sensors allready

Do you think the next GOL test will be fair? I personally believe the last one was two, and LI really performed that good (The prototype at least)

[TSi+WRX]

Originally Posted by Ovencleaner

ZR4 seems to just be a repackaged ZR3...

Shouldn't be the case - it should at least be able to pick up LaserAtlanta Stealth Mode, and if it does, it completely rules this out.

Yes, the hardware will be *very* similar, but it should not be a carry-over product - more of an evolutionary one.

and people are having water problems with their sensors allready

Oh man, you're kidding me!

Well, I guess that definitely proves it's not a "repackaged" ZR3, for the ZR3 has now racked up nearly 4+ years of *trouble-free* road-duty.

Only the first ZR3s suffered from such issues, which were quickly addressed by Escort.

I find it amazing that they didn't learn their lesson, first-time around.

[davekr]

Better hope you don't run into an Ultralyte with the ZR4!

[TSi+WRX]

^ I've got the feeling that I really need to get myself on RD.net and read the most recent posts on the ZR4 !

[davekr]

Not good TSI that's for sure.....

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Originally Posted by Ronin

Hey Guys... I think this thread was about the cheetah PASS, not how to BASH eachothers jammers...

This gets old quick...

Yeah I got to agree with Ronin on this

The Laser Star is honestly too new to bash and the people with it have had good results so it doesn't deserve the trashing until proven. It's a good jammer until proven otherwise