Anyone have the Blinder M25 Laser Jammer ?

[fire65]

I'm a firefighter, I have a $47.00 flashlight that is bulletproof, lifetime warranty. Its made out of plastic, I can unscrew it, put it back together and it will still take a beating. HMMMMM, could they possibly put a jammer in it?

[TSi+WRX]

Originally Posted by Ovencleaner

I will wait till the next GOL test.

That's the smart-money bet. That's what I'd do, in your shoes.

The test/results shouldn't be that far off, and the interval will allow you to save up so that you'll, in the end, just be able to get whatever it is that proves most fitting for your needs, without worrying about budgetary concerns.

Long range LED punch through can be remmedied by reducing LIDAR signature with passive countermeasures.

Agreed - to an extent.

The thing with thestaton's demo is that, surprisingly enough, the vehicle was even equipped with passive countermeasures.

At some point (no pun intended), I think that the vehicle just becomes so small, visually, that *any* surface on it becomes a point of concern - and unless you're running a totall composite vehicle with virtually no LIDAR hardpoints (i.e. non-metallic paint, no exposed lighting elements, etc.), you're going to suffer those extreme (and unreasonable - since no true trap would be set-up that way) PTs.

I still think that the M25 would provide sufficient coverage for a car such as mine, and I don't need to overkill things with an LI / Dual LPP

I both agree and disagree.

I think that yes, the M25 (and later upgrade to M35) would likely serve you well enough, but in this game of "no guarantees," the only sure thing that can be said is that "overkill" is *the only* way to go.

I tend to think of LIDAR protection as insurance - you can never have too much, and it is an investment.

The dollars spent earns itself back as soon as you dodge the first LIDAR trap. Not only in terms of the punitive fine from the citation, but also, much more importantly, from the untold dollars saved from an insurance premium hike, which can last for years, as fallout.

I guess I could wait till the ZR4 but could it really be that much better?

That's the wildcard question, indeed.

[crazyVOLVOrob]

I am planning to install a new laser jammer on my car this spring break and there was a guy with a Blinder M25 I am going to try and meet up with in my area hopefully

[Ovencleaner]

Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob

I am planning to install a new laser jammer on my car this spring break and there was a guy with a Blinder M25 I am going to try and meet up with in my area hopefully

Keep me posted on the results.

[The STIG]

Why even waste your time with a LED based jammer that is sub-par but if you want 1,500 foot PT's waste your money. The new blinders have horrible performance or lets say the lack of.

[Ovencleaner]

Originally Posted by The STIG

Why even waste your time with a LED based jammer that is sub-par but if you want 1,500 foot PT's waste your money. The new blinders have horrible performance or lets say the lack of.

Proof? and don't link me to BlinderXtreme test on youtube, they claim it is an M45, but the bottom two heads are fake. Also that car is very biased in its LIDAR profile.

Also, Not everyone has $600 dollars to blow on a jammer buddy... All I have to deal with is the PL3 and Ultralyte. The Blinder works fine against those guns, and my car does not have much surface area.

The old blinder had problems with long puncthrough on the LZ1 as well as the new one. I am not going up against this gun, and I don't think I would be targeted at thas range.

[delonix]

Originally Posted by Ovencleaner

Then later on adding two heads ($100 each) to the back for rear protection.

I'm pretty sure everyone here will agree that LED jammers do not offer good rear protection. We've tested the M(40) before and there was just too much reflection for the jammers to protect; and we could get PTs at nearly all ranges.

[Ovencleaner]

Originally Posted by The STIG

Go ahead and buy the new blinder but dont come crying when you think you are protected and the cop gets your reading at over 1,500 feet. Trust me that is a true retail M45 Blinder on that 300c I know that because I saw it in person during that tests. There have been several tests on the new Blinder Xtreme's and everyone was getting the same results...I see you enjoy throwing your money away. I cant wait til you post about your 1st and many laser tickets because the PL III and UL 20/20 eats the blinder xtreme for breakfest and you say those lidar guns are used in your area and you still want it? Not a very smart move.

Are you reffering to YouTube - BlinderXtreme's Channel

because that is not an M45, it is an M25
No guns other than the stalkers and prolite got long range instant punchthrough.

[TSi+WRX]

^ Something isn't quite right about those M45 videos, on the one with the 300C, it's clear that the bottom two heads were of a different size from the top - current M45s have heads which are the same, for all four.

If that was a previous iteration of the M45, I think that the time is right to bring forward a renewed video, with the current product.

[ *Alternatively, it would be wise to simply wait until the next round of GOL tests, which should incorporate testing of the new production Blinders. ]

Additionally, whomever the principles are behind that video need to step out, and declare their stance as well as any potential conflict-of-interest.

Still, given the data from RacerX's tests of the -5 suffix product, I remain fairly pessimistic about its performance on larger vehicles. Nevertheless, along with this is the balance from stegall1000's videos, which, even given their retail/commercial nature (which was openly disclosed), it is apparent, when combined with Delonix's data (which also see open declaration of their commercial nature, but here, even more so than the videos from stegall1000, it should be noted that Delonix is also a retailer of the LI and AL products, and have modified their testing procedure according to hobbyist feedback - thus making for a more impartial testing scenario [which, even though it still remains less-than-perfect, is, nonetheless, a rather good set of base-data from which to draw further conclusions/inferences]), that smaller vehicles, particularly those with some measure of passive protection, may receive more than acceptable protection from the Blinders.

Regardless, the truth of the matter is that in terms of rear protection, even the use of two heads of today's top-flight diode-based jammers offer only "reasonable" protection, and is much less than a "JFG guaranty," which is truly *necessary* in terms of rear protection and its typically seen enforcement scenarios.

To expect that two LED-based heads will be able to protect, even a small vehicle, is, IMveryHO, near wishful and magical thinking, and may lead you to a false sense of protection/safety - which will result in a hefty ticket.

[crazyVOLVOrob]

I heard some blinder got instant PT at SML

But RacerX has tested the Blinder M25 and M45 on a Nissan Xterra againse the Blinder M20 and M40 and the older M20/40 did much better than the newer retail M25/45

Seems like enough evidence there