Anyone have the Blinder M25 Laser Jammer ?

[Ovencleaner]

Does anyone here own an M25?

I am thinking of getting the M25 and putting two heads in the front of my 1996 Civic. Then later on adding two heads ($100 each) to the back for rear protection.

I found the M25 for $350, and I heard it did much better vs ultralyte guns. PLIII is the main gun used in my area and I know it will do fine against it.

I don't have the money for more expensive diode jammers and want to be able to afford extra heads later.

Are the members with blinders here happy with them? My car has a very low LIDAR profile.

[go.mouse]

The old Blinder M20/40 does perform much better than the new M25/45.

You should check out the following test videos on Youtube posted a few months ago.

YouTube - Blinder X-treme M45 Laser Jammer vs Pro...

There are better choices out there.

[Ovencleaner]

Originally Posted by go.mouse

The old Blinder M20/40 does perform much better than the new M25/45.

You should check out the following test videos on Youtube posted a few months ago. YouTube - Blinder X-treme M45 Laser Jammer vs Pro Laser III Runs 1-5

There are better choices out there.

That car has a pretty nasty LIDAR profile with that grill. Mine has almost no lidar profile and much less area to cover. I think I should be fine...

[TSi+WRX]

I keep meaning to get back to that thread on RD.net, where the Blinder salesman, stegall1000, posted a round of testing results using the PL II as the police LIDAR.

There were some strange inconsistencies in the video, and I'm not exactly sure what's going on - no, this is NOT to say that I don't believe their results, but rather, I think that although the Blinder M25/35's performance in those tests were more than acceptable, I don't know if the tests results are as convincing as I'd like them to be.

I'll cross-link to that thread when I get a chance, and also come back to further support the evidence that go.mouse cited above.

[fire65]

I know this must be what everyone thinks, BUT, how the hell do u build a second generation jammer that is subpar to the first generation?

I read all the jammer stuff. Why would they leak? Where the hell do they think they be mounted? Its cold, hot, wet, salty, come on guys, make me want one worse than I do. For the price of any jammer, make it last.

[TSi+WRX]

Originally Posted by fire65

I know this must be what everyone thinks, BUT, how the hell do u build a second generation jammer that is subpar to the first generation?

Agreed.

Indeed, this "WTF" is exactly what everyone thinks about the performance of the M25/35/45 Blinders.

I believe that this was such a disappointment that many members of the community who had originally been the most vocal supporters of Blinder's products in-turn became very disillusioned and bitter towards Blinder, in the same way that VEIL had a "falling out" with many members of the community.

I read all the jammer stuff. Why would they leak? Where the hell do they think they be mounted? Its cold, hot, wet, salty, come on guys, make me want one worse than I do. For the price of any jammer, make it last.

I agree - they need to "make it last."

However, I can also see why they would leak. It's not as easy to make a good, weather/road-resistant setup that the jammers would require (removeable/replaceable covering/protective "lens," etc.).

Car-makers spend untold amounts of money to develop such durable and reliable OEM parts as well as OEM-accessories, and it is clear that many, many aftermarket components - even ones from supposed "big names," do not carry nearly the same qualities.

I see this as a simple R&D time/cost issue. Given enough time, it seems that yes, the "smaller" jammer makes are getting it right - look at the latest versions of the AL and LPP, for example, it seems that they're finally becoming "lasting/durable" items.

To wit, it even took Escort a few tries to get things right with the ZR3, in terms of durability/reliability...and they've got the development bucks to spend.

[TSi+WRX]

To get back on-track towards the issues of the Blinder M25/35/45 ->

Ovencleaner, here's some more specific discussion on RD.net, which is linked in the following post I made:

Seems there is a problem with the LI these day's

( part of this thread: http://www.radarreviews.net/forums/l...hese-days.html )

Even if you don't believe RacerX's evidence (and honestly, I cannot think why *anyone* would - as he has proven himself time and again to be most impartial, and more than willing to come forward with the problems found in *ALL* current jammers, with no favors), you can see in the above discussion (link out to RD.net thread) the reasons why we've discounted what stegall1000 argued for in the past.

[Ovencleaner]

Ok for starters I saw how the M45 performed on RacerX's video, the only time he got instant PT was at the edge of the headlights where the sensors could not detect it.

my post from rd.net:

someone linked me to this. The video maker claims it is an m45, but the bottom two heads are fake. This causing punch troughs at long distance when they aim at the plate because the other sensors don't detect it. Also punched through when barely off the edge of the headlight which could have been avoided with better head placement im sure.


Blinder Xtreme Laser Jammer Tests & Reviews

YouTube - Blinder X-treme M45 Laser Jammer vs LTI...

You can tell when they aim near the top sensors it jams. At long distance, the LED's do have issues reaching im sure which causes some punchthroughs due to the cars massive chrome grill reflecting well. But most of it has to do with the missing two sensors and the worst IR reflective profile ever.

I think alot of peoples speculations that blinders are not crap, because it clearly is doing its job when they aim near the sensors that work. Sure it may not be a diode jammer, but it is much cheaper than them.

Someone is trying to make blinders look really bad, when in reality it looks like a pretty decent jammer for the money.

[TSi+WRX]

^ I honestly don't know - the other "claims" of the M25/35/45, the other side of the coin, if you will, is that on the videos where they do "JTG," it has been openly accused that the maker of the videos actually fudged the data by manipulating the police LIDAR device in an inappropriate manner.

There's just too much speculation - and in-light of the fact that there is no good, solid, independent proof, I just find it impossible to make a good-faith recommendation for them, as I have in the past, for the M20/30/40.

The other problem that is seen with the LED-based jammers is that in order to get effective "protection" (yes, you're correct, "jamming power" at longer distances is a distinct concern - thestaton's early videos on the M20, fitted to a black Evo VIII, was among the first to document the extreme long-range PTs that the LED-based systems can suffer, however this is also a concern not only in terms of "jamming power," but also in terms of reception; as demonstrated by IRCMUSA's IR-videos, the Blinders simply cannot match the leading diode-based jammers' receptive capabilities, which is yet another reason why more heads are needed, to provide "equal" protection) - to equal that of the leading laser-diode based models, more heads are needed, as you've cited yourself, which increases cost. With an M45 system pushing into within stone's throw range of a dual-head AL or LI, the argument of "cost-effectiveness" just doesn't hold much water. Additionally, more heads means more real-estate, which is something that many of us do not have the luxury of, due to vehicle size/configuration - and yet others find difficulty due to the legality of jammers in their geographic location or routes-of-travel.

Yes, I do see - and have readily discussed - that there's too many "he said/she said" kind of arguments with regard to the M25/35/45. There's definitely more in-fighting and background going on than meets the eye, and undoubtedly, this means that some of the "testing" footage is less than totally aboveboard, and thus cannot be taken at face value.

However, the one thing that speaks to me as being the most negative about all of this is that Blinder has been, so far, unable/unwilling to provide any kind of aggressive counterattack - in the kind of "quantitative" manner that we've come to expect and demand in this community - to the data presented by those who've been less-than-favorable about their new product line. As with the example I cited on the above-reference RD.net thread, when the manufacturer promises counterproof but cannot deliver, CONCLUSIVELY, this, to me, as a consumer, raises more doubt.

[Ovencleaner]

I will wait till the next GOL test. Long range LED punch through can be remmedied by reducing LIDAR signature with passive countermeasures.

I still think that the M25 would provide sufficient coverage for a car such as mine, and I don't need to overkill things with an LI / Dual LPP

I guess I could wait till the ZR4 but could it really be that much better?