New ZR4 laser jammer on Escort Radar sight

[IRCMUSA]

Originally Posted by TSi+WRX

^ Dude! You're still around!

Where are your old videos?!!! I keep trying to find them! They were great, and were so, er, "educational" ?!

Honestly, if you've got them hidden away somewhere, I really think it would benefit the community for them to be brought-back and re-hosted. Those vids contributed so much to our knowledge-base.

PM in bound

[CJR238]

I know your not suppose to run the rear head with the front two, kind of makes sense since its job is completely different.
But i wonder if running 2 ZR4's will be a problem? 4 front heads and 2 rear heads?
I’m guessing they will fire differently and interfere with each other.

[TSi+WRX]

^ Honestly, no idea.....

Very interesting proposition, though.....

['09 Milan]

Originally Posted by CJR238

i wonder if running 2 ZR4's will be a problem? 4 front heads and 2 rear heads?

The main reason why the rear does not work with the front is because they fire out of sync. When they tested 4 up front they gained no advantage, however, BEL is now looking into supporting "jammer enthusiast" (which they never imagined existed) and will probably be coming out with an add-on product soon. CES is next week so we'll see if they bring anything out then

[Doddlebug]

What is your friend selling the the 9500i for?

[TSi+WRX]

Originally Posted by '09 Milan

When they tested 4 up front they gained no advantage...

Who's "they?"

Just looking for a clarification, no hostility intended.

[RadarNutt]

Originally Posted by CJR238

Ya it looked pretty short distance to me too for testing, anything jamming 500ft or less is completely expectable to me.
It looked like it got better around the 3-400ft mark.

Maybe to many folks, but also note that the vehicle had no front plate.

I'd like to see that same car with a front plate. I bet you get instant PT on the Stalker, based on what we saw, over longer ranges with a nice 12" wide IR reflector on the front of it.

[RadarNutt]

Originally Posted by CJR238

My concern is the stalker unit. It won’t be a big deal if I don’t have them around where i live, but that’s my only worry.
All i need is the few seconds to slow down and $300 for that isn’t that bad.

Found this scary brand new stalker video against the ZR4. I personally didn’t like the front placement but it shouldn’t of affected it that bad anyway:

First EvAr Escort ZR4 Video

Nice vid. Now, here is what I want to know: Did the ZR4 not jam when the Stalker was aimed at the headlights and tail lights because it stopped sending jamming pulses, or was it because the gun got PT?

In other words, did the ZR4 fail to "see" the Stalker and therefore stopped trying to jam it, or was the Stalker able to overpower it?

I agree with Allen, IRCMUSA *PLEASE* make some more vids. I would pay to have access to old and new videos like that. Huge educational value. Worth way more than the dribble SML sells (for example).

I think my question above is relevant and vitally important info to anyone who "gets" how these things all work.

This is why I still advocate spending the $ on a good quality laser defense. I know IACP says shoot the plate / center mass, but how many seconds does it take an astute LEO to think of trying for the headlight or tail light? At short ranges, this is feasible. Naturally, at long range shots they definitely should not do that. The chance of scatter off a nearby vehicle is way too high and it taints the evidence and tracking history. But look at the size of the aiming dot on the Stalker. At <500 feet you can hit that headlight and you know which car it is, even if the reticle is off a foot or two from the beam.

Bring on the IR videos!!!! Somebody?? Buehler.... Buehler....

['09 Milan]

Originally Posted by TSi+WRX

Who's "they?"

BEL (in pre-release tests)

[TSi+WRX]

Originally Posted by RadarNutt

Nice vid. Now, here is what I want to know: Did the ZR4 not jam when the Stalker was aimed at the headlights and tail lights because it stopped sending jamming pulses, or was it because the gun got PT?

In other words, did the ZR4 fail to "see" the Stalker and therefore stopped trying to jam it, or was the Stalker able to overpower it?

I think my question above is relevant and vitally important info to anyone who "gets" how these things all work.

Totally relevant and very important!

And to this end, RN, check Cbr/ELVATO's videos again, and you'll see some IR footage of both the PASS and the ZR4.

I was literally completely SHOCKED to see how capable the ZR4 happens to be as a receiver - it was rumored that the ZR3 was an excellent receiver, but no-one, to my knowledge, pursued proof of this, but the above member's IR video of the ZR4 certainly seems to put the ball square in Escort's court. I still remain amazed at how they can effect such amazing receptive capability without some sort of optical collimator....

When you see the video, you'll see that it's definitely not a problem of reception (and that the video "evidence" also rules out any potential thought of placement/setup issues with the ZR4s, in causing such PTs).

From what I can see and surmise, this "Stalker weakness" has got to either be algorithm-based, or, alternatively, the technically mysterious (to me) rumor of "insufficient jamming power."

Whatever the problem, Escort *needs* to address this.

The ZR4 is their premium product. They need to be sure that it lives up to not only its promises, but the expectations of not just the average consumer - but rather, the discerning enthusiast who is willing to pay top-dollar.

This is why I still advocate spending the $ on a good quality laser defense. I know IACP says shoot the plate / center mass, but how many seconds does it take an astute LEO to think of trying for the headlight or tail light? At short ranges, this is feasible. Naturally, at long range shots they definitely should not do that. The chance of scatter off a nearby vehicle is way too high and it taints the evidence and tracking history. But look at the size of the aiming dot on the Stalker. At <500 feet you can hit that headlight and you know which car it is, even if the reticle is off a foot or two from the beam.

+1.

I can't agree more.