['09 Milan]

Originally Posted by TSi+WRX

This should be possible, already.

There are only two versions currently available, the 9500ci and the Sti-r. The Sti-r is not the same as the 9500ci without the shifter. There are many other feature differences. That's why we're hopeful that CES brings us a lot of presents this year

The 9500ci should arrive/be-delivered in Shifter "Receive Only" mode

Yes but that's not the issue. The issue is paying $500.00 for a shifter that may not even be wanted or used. They need to have the 9500ci without the ZR4 package.

The ZR4 has already been seen to be an *excellent* LIDAR receiver

All BEL products are excellent receivers, but that's not why I'd want to spend $500.00 for BELs shifter. Consumers should have to be 'locked' into buying the ZR4 package with the 9500ci.

Is a certain unit more likely to elicit - and another (or the same) more likely to respond?

I haven't looked into this yet, but we certainly will in the future. My guess is that the diode based systems will be doing more eliciting to which the LED systems would be responding to, but this is yet to be documented scientifically. In any case I'd be surprised to see different results.

exactly what kind of cross-talk is being produced?

Well before we get off on a tangent, we're using the term 'crosstalk' but I'm not sure that's the correct term for what's happening. However as long as everyone is on the same page and understands what is happening with the laser signals, the term crosstalk will have to do for now When you say "interference-causing" do you mean between the heads?

is this benchtop? or does this play-out in real-world as well?

I don't waste time with bench testing equipment as most people don't drive their cars on a bench All testing is real world and I'm even going to be buying a humidity meter such as this one so that we can start documenting what the humidity was at the time of testing.

I don't think it's as bad as being "anecdotal."

Most of the results shown will not apply to your car so what else would you call it? Far too many variables to call this real testing. The use of Veil will effect the test, as will if the product was applied over 2 months ago. The use of a front plate will effect the outcome by as much of a factor of 4 times, was the paint metallic, waxed/unwaxed, the paints color, was there cosine error, the aerodynamic shape of the front of the car, the area of the headlights, etc. Also there aren't many tests where on the same day the same tester, tests various products at the same time. Also, does the "tester" have an agenda? I know of several videos on-line where the "tester" does - and so those 'tests' are worthless. These things all play a role on how a shifter works. In order to do real world side-by-side testing you need to tests more than one product at the same time and under the same conditions. When we see these tests on-line we take them "into account" but on their own we don't rule out products or surmise that one product works better than another purely based on what could easily be skewed videos.

Although VEIL works in the same *manner* to each LIDAR threat, the ability of VEIL to *defeat* said threat seems to be highly variable.

We don't use Veil to defeat anything on its own, nor do we recommend anyone use the product on its own. However, in each and every case where Veil is used the shifters performance is dramatically increased. When using these types of products you want an 'edge' and that is exactly what Veil gives you. Even if it only adds a couple of hundred feet to your warning, that may be all it takes to keep you from getting tagged. Until someone comes out with a shifter that works 100% of the time, we'll be adding Veil to the mix

Whatever this data indicates, I'm eager to know!

Agreed! I am only interested in the facts of the matter. Brand names, hype, etc. are meaningless. This is why I'm looking more toward military applications to see how they handle such applications.