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I apologize for the late reply - as you know, I've been having some troubles logging-on from my university server, as of the last two days.

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I did not say DISTRUST the GOL I said question... and there is a difference.
And if you read the PM I sent you, it would make much more sense when I say question things...

Thank you for the PM. Your information will be held in-trust. Just as I promised privately, I also publicly pledge to honor your request that any information will remain in-confidence and privileged.

Also I never said favor the Laser Star... I have just stated that this is a good jammer on the market and the GOLs test on it is not a true representation of its performance...

I also say that the LPP is a good jammer...

"Favor," I think, is subjective.

While you maintain that what you said was not to favor the unit, in my view, it is giving the unit favor.

But you're right, if you're specifically approaching this from your point-of-view, that would not be giving the unit favor.


And if you'll pardon me for taking the following out-of-sequence, I think it's easier to examine here, given that you'd left off with talk of the LPP, above:
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So when I said... LPP will be going under... Pretty much stated that they have lost alot of retailers... (Which they have) and even more so because of the LI and Laser Star, Taking business and retailers who generate business for LPP... it is only a matter of time before they will either have to lower their prices and up the effort on making a better jammer... or they will go under... but this has no reflection on their jammers performance which I will state is good. [/qujote]

True, I agree, when more laser-diode jammers come to-market, with performance that equals or betters that of the LPP - or, alternatively, falls just short in terms of performance, but are priced many hundreds less - the only recourse of LPP would be to either lower prices, or to "up the effort."

But "going under," in common use when referring to a business venture, means to fail - and by far, your predictions of such did not come true, has still has yet to come true.

LJTs vs GOL.... Lets put this "DoubleThinking" to rest.

I have sited the LJTs vidoes ... because... well they are good videos... they show the IR cam and through the hud shooting... and to me they are legit...
You can see everything... can you fake videos... yes... but that would be just way over the top for those videos... Cause if you notice even the audio sinks up... so you can tell its the same thing from 2 different angles.

GOL... all you have is data... not videos nothing... all your doing is taking their word for it... they have absolutely nothing to prove the test results... you do not know if someone is shooting a second gun from the woods making the jammer fail because you can not jam more then one gun at a time. You just do not know...

In neither of these statements I have said do not this or do this...

I just have shown appreciation of videos... Does this mean that I favor LJTs over GOL... not exactly... I will tell you I do not favor GOL at all... I will tell you LJTs do not exactly have a straight record but the videos are very well put together.

The videos are well put together - I'll give them that.

But in terms of the true "value" of the video?

I honestly see no such thing.

Although, currently, "video" evidence is regarded as both a necessary component of both business marketing as well as hobbyist-level discussions, as well as the de-facto "proof," I do not see it as the latter at all.

Any video can be manipulated - and it doesn't matter if it's from the GOL or [b]The Goons[/b[, from the makers of LaserStar or LI.

Just because there's proper sync'ing of the video/audio feeds do not mean that the video has not been manipulated - sure, it's harder to do, but it's just as possible to achieve a proper audio/video sync of two completely different source feeds.

Just because there's IR footage does not mean that there's not been manipulation, either. Yes, you can see the LI responding, but is it actually the same video - and that is just the first conclusion to draw. Other possibilities of tampering easily comes to mind, from anyone who is well-versed in LIDAR behavior.

[ BTW, I should add here that I do not believe that The Goons/LJT somehow manipulated their LI testing videos. While there remains several questionable concerns, instead of pursuing those, my view has always been that they are taking advantage of a known weakness in the 6.09/8.0 LI, versus the Stalker LZ-1, and that this weakness is likely compounded by perhaps the unit being itself malfunctioning or not optimally functioning (i.e. the same "disclaimer" that Radar Roy gave, of the LI unit he'd "tested" at SML this past year). As far as I'm concerned, it's a marketing/promotional spin, just like what they did to pervert Ronin's LPP/ZR3 jamming video, as well as their spin on the LPP's handling of the 100 PPS UL situation. ]

To me, "video proof," although convincing, is not conclusive - it's, to me, at best, only as good as the "word" of the testers.

And to me, that's what trips over the foul line, as you stated below......

We both have the same argument ... except your argument is with LJTs and mine is with GOL.... More information about LJT is out their cause they are not controlling a forum and every direction it swings... unlike the GOL... So you question motives and everything else... but I also question for the same reason but information is limited and contained... much like the government.

Again, I apologize for taking this section out-of-sequence. I hope you'll excuse the re-framing of your reply, but I think that this will facilitate our continuing discussion.

I agree, and I think that's where things go awry - you're right, my argument is with LJT/The Goons, and yours with GOL.

Certainly, The Goons/LJT have much less influence in the community than they once did. I, however, cannot but help think that this is due to their repeatedly self-exposing their dishonesty - it's not like they haven't tried, repeatedly, to start up various Forums/on-line communities....every time, it's failed, and I think that this, in and of itself, paints a negative picture of the group.

Indeed, we're both doing a bit of doublethink.

I understand where you're coming from, Subie - perhaps a lot better now that you've sent me that PM - but I hope you can also see where I'm coming from, too, with my distrust of The Goons and LJT. I hope that the evidence which I've pointed to, in just this thread alone, will give you, in your moments of reflection, the due caution that they warrant.

You doubt the GOL because, you've said, that they lied to you.

If you'll look at what I've cited, just in this thread alone, of LJT/The Goons, of PUBLIC information from their various postings/websites, you can see that they've lied to all of us.

And I hope you'll base your current as well as future outlook of The Goons and LJT based on such proof.

Overall, if I was to be fair on both sides... the ultimate conclusion would be to say ... the Laser Star is still up for debate on performance... and I would be ok with that... EXCEPT that no one would look at it that way... why... cause of GOL...

I agree.

If you'll look at my posts above, as well as some from other threads, you'll see that this is one fact that I do, very much, lament.

What's currently seen is that the enthusiast/hobbyist - the true independents - that their data matches that which is seen from the GOL tests.

The sad thing is that with the LaserStar seemingly performing so poorly on the GOL tests, it is very doubtful that anyone will want to take the risk to buy this unit, and that's going to make it much, much harder for data to come forward, to either prove or disprove what the GOL claims.

I will test the Laser Star when I get it ... but I have yet to receive mine yet.

I hope that you do receive one, soon, and that it can then be tested with the TX group.

I think that it would be even better if someone within the TX group were to buy one themselves, in a true-blind fashion. That would truly and honestly much better benefit the community.